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Username Post: Now Running Version 2.0 Beta 3        (Topic#4593)
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09-17-06 04:20 PM - Post#36556    


    In response to Don

The site calendar will. The forum calendar won't under this version. Dave's got to do quite a bit of work to cache future information for efficient display when viewing a forum with a calendar.

What you see here is pretty much what 2.0 is at this point. We're making a few adjustments currently to the installer/upgrader to try to eliminate some of the issues we had when the Alpah testers upgraded. Then we can get it to beta and out to public etc....



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09-17-06 06:24 PM - Post#36558    


    In response to JoshPet

Ah-ha Still finding stuff-didn't see the new calendar link at the top...that will work.

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09-17-06 11:39 PM - Post#36565    


    In response to Don

Oh btw the one thing I found annoying about this new version was the fact they now allow use of mysqli ovver mysql.. while more seure.. makes writing mods that arent just for fusion.. FUN
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10-15-06 05:52 AM - Post#36988    


    In response to Lori

Are we getting close on this? I'm excited for this.
 
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10-15-06 06:03 AM - Post#36989    


    In response to kanetrain

Just curious... why use mysqli? Is there a benefit to using it - or supporting it?
 
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10-15-06 06:54 AM - Post#36990    


    In response to kanetrain

  • kanetrain Said:
Are we getting close on this?

Based on a current post in the shout box from Dave, it should be about a week away from a Public Beta Release. Then a full release after hopefully a month of public beta testing (dependent on the number of bugs found).
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10-17-06 11:17 AM - Post#37029    


    In response to Honda Guru

Hey Dave
Tell Josh (I remember his vacation caused the same delays thing with 1.0 last time) our 6 mo. extension should be from the day you release 1.1 to be fair.
It's already been almost 3 months since the 6 month extension & still...
For one our calendar events begin Nov. 29th and users would have to make reservations now to be getting the good deals on airlines & such so what started to be a few months, then became until spring, then "soon" then August...is now maybe October...
Not whining but we know there will be some bugs & such when it finally does get out and time getting used to it, so just IMHO the 6 months should be from the 1.1 "roll out"....but I'm just grumpy from my daily job of deleting all the Viagra and porno posts from our open forums that can't be moderated yet

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10-17-06 11:16 PM - Post#37031    


    In response to Don

Yeah, I think we'll do somethign like that. Once it's out, I'll post the details but indeed we've retooled a bit for a better install/upgrade utility to try to have a strong leg moving forward with upgrades and support issues. At this point we're 2 months past the original release anniversary, so we'll probably end up with a 9 month extension to those who purchased upon 1.0 release. I'd like to see everyone have at least 6 months of member area access after 2.0 is out.



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11-13-06 06:11 AM - Post#37252    


    In response to JoshPet

Almost a month and no posts or news...it's sad to keep coming here and see nothing & the Dev forum and they're are newest post threads from last June...
Not doing well guys, especially when I noticed somebody who is a lot more of a Fusion newbie than me is running 2.0 ...that was a shocker...
I guess maybe 2008 will bring something maybe at least Josh or Dave will post a little blip on "well we know it's been another month but my girlfriend's, brother's dog got sick and the code for the confused smiley isn't quite ready...but we plan on beta testing after the holidays... or something...anything

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11-13-06 06:14 AM - Post#37255    


    In response to JoshPet

Almost a month and no posts or news...it's sad to keep coming here and see nothing & the Dev forum and they're are newest post threads from last June...
Not doing well guys, especially when I noticed somebody who is a lot more of a Fusion newbie than me is running 2.0 ...that was a shocker...
I guess maybe 2008 will bring something maybe at least Josh or Dave will post a little blip on "well we know it's been another month but my girlfriend's, brother's dog got sick and the code for the confused smiley isn't quite ready...but we plan on beta testing after the holidays... or something...anything

I know our first major event of the convention season is in 2 weeks in Vegas, no way the calendar will be of any use in time for that one...and who will delete all those un-moderated posts while I'm there?

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11-13-06 06:15 AM - Post#37256    


    In response to JoshPet

Almost a month and no posts or news...it's sad to keep coming here and see nothing & the Dev forum and they're are newest post threads from last June...
Not doing well guys, especially when I noticed somebody who is a lot more of a Fusion newbie than me is running 2.0 ...that was a shocker...
I guess maybe 2008 will bring something maybe at least Josh or Dave will post a little blip on "well we know it's been another month but my girlfriend's, brother's dog got sick and the code for the confused smiley isn't quite ready...but we plan on beta testing after the holidays... or something...anything

I know our first major event of the convention season is in 2 weeks in Vegas, no way the calendar will be of any use in time for that one...and who will delete all those un-moderated posts while I'm there?

& How come there is no "edit" button, you have to "back" up to the post to do an edit

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11-13-06 10:00 AM - Post#37259    


    In response to Don

Am I the only one seriously considering going back to "that other php board"?

Just a glance at all the recent posts at ubbdev.com gave me a stomach ache. Is the FBB development community dying?

Going Fusion was a real pain. But sad to say, I´m not any longer sure it was worth the effort.

The way I see it FBB 1.0 may be a nice little product, but it has nothing really new to offer (sure, it´s stable and works fine from a technical point of view ... but then what?) and is more of a tech demo than a serious competition-butt-kicking product.

The plans for FBB 2.0 and later versions are great. Like MPP; not have the need for third party products to run critical functions is excellent. But without a live release all of this is just empty sales talk.

If 2.0 is not out really soon ... I just can´t wait another 6 month for 2.0 with MPP. I need it this year! I´d rather pay that small fortune to get transferred back to Threads and then pay another license fee for a working third party payment solution this year.

The idea of MPP integration indicates that the Fusion team believes they have the opportunity to sell this product to people who has got a plan on how to make some serious money on their boards. And that is really good thinking. But this permanent (?) delay clearly shows that the Fusion team are not taking this matter seriously. Where will you find that board owner with a plan to make some money, and who is ready to delay the estimated income increase and planed board development indefinitely just because the Fusion team can´t say what year they will deliver? That person does not exist, trust me on this. If the Fusion team can´t deliver others can. This gives me the feeling FBB is and will stay as a hobby/consumer product and not that cutting edge proffesional system the Fusion team have been bragging about. It´s like pushing a Photoshop killer, when all you' ve got in store is Microsoft Paint!

If I have learned anything from this, it is to only look at what is in store and for sale right now. I know that the decision to move from UBBT to FBB was my own (and I hade loads of complaints on UBBT and Infopop), and I´m not blaming anyone else for making it. I should have known better then listening to sales talk. What I´m saying is that I´m getting good and ready to cut my losses and leave. FBB might be that butt-kicking product some day. But that day is yet to come.

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11-13-06 10:10 AM - Post#37261    


    In response to Gregori

Hi,

Not much to add. Don't think we'll be changing over, but it is getting really tiring hearing nothing but soon. It's been almost a year of 'soon'.

Now I am sure someone will come back with the "well wouldn't you rather have a program that is bug free and wait a little longer?" to which I am now ready to say, "No, I'd rather have version 2 installed; I'll worry about the minor glitches later".

If at this point (after 1 year of 'soon') the program is still in such a state that it contains more than just some glitches, something is seriously wrong.

Will v2.0 be great? Yeah, I think it will. I just wished I'd be able to find out myself and install it.

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11-13-06 10:47 AM - Post#37262    


    In response to Gregori

  • Gregori Said:
Am I the only one seriously considering going back to "that other php board"?

Just a glance at all the recent posts at ubbdev.com gave me a stomach ache. Is the FBB development community dying?

Going Fusion was a real pain. But sad to say, I´m not any longer sure it was worth the effort.


Boy, I'm hanging in there and trying not to be discouraged, but I'm starting to feel the same way. After waiting for a year, can anyone blame me?

I was so taken with Fusion that I hurriedly switched over. The import from Threads went poorly and I lost a great many posts in the process. I even switched my hosting to Vertex, thinking it would be best to have my forum hosted by the same people that make Fusion. I went for the whole package.

Now, I'm about as discouraged as I could be. I'm just plain tired of being told, "we're close", "real soon", and all those other pacifying phrases that even some of the customers echo.

After a while, all the excuses in the world don't matter to the customer - they want results. There were a lot of great products that failed, simply because they couldn't deliver.

If I do switch back to Threads, I guarantee you that I would never come back to Fusion if it were the best product out there and it were free. Fusion has made me look ridiculous in the eyes of my forum users. The question for me know is, if and when to pull the plug.


 
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11-13-06 11:16 AM - Post#37263    


    In response to Claude

Hey, at least you guys got to use your product... I bought the software during the Pre-sale, with a guarantee that I'd have a phpBB converter, and since the converter never came about I've never been able to launch FusionBB.

I just got tired of begging for the converter. I'm just a slow, niche site, but it all comes down to, you buy something for a purpose, and I was never able to use it for my purpose.

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11-13-06 01:15 PM - Post#37264    


    In response to Coynster

I'm not looking back. Fusion 1.0 is better than UBBT and unlike some of you all my posts made the trip (albeit with all the funny little ? mark symbols where every one of the apostrophe's or semicolons etc. used to be)

But I get the feeling most folks are like me in the frustration that we go for long periods of time here with "no news" (I check the beta tester's section every week or so hoping for a release) then there is an occasional post that "soon, we almost have it" and then another long period of no news or comments.

I can imagine the frustration of some people, what the niche community I bought Fusion for needs is mainly post moderation and a working calendar (but the articles and MPP things may be useful too, been holding up one article for a month hoping...) so for those waiting for an importer or needing MPP to make the money or whatever I'm sure it's worse.

My main shock was when I saw one of the few select people running 2.0 beta was someone who got started with Fusion well after I did (both of us ran the beta's pre-release on Fusion 1.0), seemed strange.
I too wonder what bugs are now preventing a release.

I also wonder what the "corporate" philosophy is against releasing 2.0 in beta with the features that do work and a caveat that "X" still has bugs or the "ABC importer is not yet functional".

Not jumping to conclusions but I can't help but wonder if the "bugs" are not bigger than they have been portrayed? If there were only a few bugs with an importer script and a thing or two here or there surely those of us who dealt with all the pre-1.0 bugs could live around those.

I wonder because the last "news" was that it would be ready to go to beta testers as soon as everybody got back from vacation (on 10/14) and had it "packaged" and a couple of little bugs worked out of the upgrade script.
But that was then, and I might have a different opinion (still frustrated but different opinion) if you said: "well there will be no beta, we just decided to get it 100% perfect & then roll out the finished 2.0"

Oct 14th Dave posted a "shout" that beta would be released to testers as soon as Josh got back from another vacation (just envy; but isn't that 3 in the last year?...I need that type job!... or maybe use the vacation from the other job to work on Fusion )
Tomorrow makes a month since that "shout" and the beta forum here hasn't had a post since October 1st. so no news there.
Last post on the "Dev." board was Oct 23rd and that was a comment on an older thread. The "Devs" quit making new goodies long ago...

Kind-of depressing/frustrating but mainly bad customer relations. No news is not good news and honestly is the best policy. So if there is a reason why a month after Dave said a week there is still no Beta let us know, or if there are big bugs somewhere; most of us are adults, we can take the bad news. But the days on end of no posts is not good communications.

Personally; being disabled and just doing the admin on the Fusion board for my biggest hosting customer...
They are a not-for-profit, right now they have as much money in the coffers as they do any time of year, with my own degenerating physical disabilities and lack of PHP skills they will probably need to pay somebody at FBB to have the upgrade installed and their mods put back (mainly just a menu button) if the upgrade is more than one click; and they may not have the money by the time it comes around (they are entering their lean months)
They bought Fusion on my recommendation, and they are generally happy but I promised them a calendar last summer because it was promised here; now their "event season" is half over, so there have been some folks disgruntled with me ...and I have no answers other than "a month ago they said in a week".

No raising heck here Josh & Dave; but I think it only fair we be kept up to date with what is honestly going on. I understand you guys have "day" jobs and a "life" but when you started Fusion you started a "side-business" and with a side-business sometimes people just don't get "vacations" in the early years. Sometimes they have to spend the vacation from one job working on their own "business" to keep their own customers happy. Sure it's no fun, but many people have done it.

Anyhow, my "wonder" is why no beta...warts & all, if they really are such small warts?



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11-13-06 01:39 PM - Post#37265    


    In response to Gregori

I haven't moved to fusion yet, but bought into the license with 1.0 with the premise that 1.1 would be right out and have the fixes I needed to really go with it.

But I'm now becoming more interested in reading up on the new UBBT and seeing what all is going on there and possibly going that route. It's both sad and painful to read here lately considering the energy that once was.
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11-13-06 07:43 PM - Post#37272    


    In response to Chris Beveridge

I want it released just as much, if not more than you all do.
At this point, bugs aren't a big issue, there hasn't been anything show stopping, but the install /upgrade process was being reworked to make this process easier going forward. This has taken longer than expected, but will make support and issues easier for all involved going forward.



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11-14-06 04:23 AM - Post#37284    


    In response to JoshPet

I´d rather have a bit more complicated upgrade procedure and 2.0 now, then a one click super solution next year.

 
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11-14-06 04:26 AM - Post#37285    


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The way things are going right now there won´t be anyone "involved" left who need a super smooth upgrade. The Fusion community is dying, Josh.
 
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